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adam.sparshott



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:50 am    Post subject: Constructs Reply with quote

Any ideas for different types of constructs?
I think it is time for a new one.
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Mortis



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there were a whole bunch of ideas thrown out when constructs were initially proposed/ etc. I'm waiting with great anticipation to see the next "expansion" to appear.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go on then, suggest which should be next....
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

my greedy side wants Trade Hubs.

my pragmatic side has made an unholy alliance with my combative side, and wants the automated guns.



the wierd part in the back with all the outlandish ideas wants a "battle school" construct where marines and officers could be produced. but the rest of my brain says "that's an entire additional component to the game, not just a construct- so shut up!"

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Veldez



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's go all out, and make Space Station Constructs! Very Happy
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Dragonia



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmm... automated guns... how about an expensive and utterly expensive repair station allowable only in systems with more then 15 colonists... and this station helps repair units by sending mass to all ships in the system...

eh, not sure where that was going either (though it would be cool if it could help rebuild hab's Razz )

automated guns... let's see... how about a max fighter sized outpost that requires the exact same restrictions as a ship (except for obvious things... like spindizzies would not be needed)

... I vote trade hubs Laughing

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Nosferatu



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about you can have the construct operating in 1 of 2 modes, either a trade hub, gaining money, or combat.

not sure what combat could be, but something different,
enhancing ship operations
better tracking, = extra range to all scaning

dock next to it and repair 1 unit on your ship extra

i don't think having them directly armed is a good thing though
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

directly armed would be very interesting though Smile

the only problem being... they are really just so easily shot down they would have to be super powerful just to actually stand a chance

though your idea does sound great to... perhaps a starbase of big enough size allows repair of habs? (like the gravwell of a 5+ world, except fixed range of 2 to repair)

meh, I dunno, I could probably go on all day about different uses you could cram into different constructs, lol.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the way I understand constructs, each one will do a different thing. The original set of ideas was here;

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Mortis



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tangenting slightly, will there be an ability to improve constructs in ways aside from armor?

example; Instead of adding an entirely seperate construct for a Trade Hub, the trade gate might have components to add that allow it to reduce legs to homeworld or reduce tax rate. These would accumulate cost as (or faster than) the SS, but may or may not increase in cost cumulatively with SS (ie; 2 economic moduals +2 SS might cost 300 {150 x2} or 400 {4 units of armor})

example 2; a gun construct is created. This fires attack drones at a set power, speed, burn, targeting, or armor towards those who enter its range. By adding different components these drones can have the respective one of these stats increased.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably not. I prefer to keep constructs extremely simple.

A side function of constructs is to soak up the massive funds of empires. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GameAdmin wrote:

A side function of constructs is to soak up the massive funds of empires. Smile

I thought that was the main point of constructs actually...
soak up funds by giving options that are useful enough to persue, but not useful enough to change the entire game's focus.

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Probably not. I prefer to keep constructs extremely simple.

Shame, it would make constructs much more efficient at soaking up credits and wouldn't make them much more complex in action or creation (just programming probably).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Nosferatu's idea of a construct operating in 1 of 2 modes
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Devaad



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pardon me, in my ignorance I posted this in a new thread under suggestions. It's a little convoulted, but were the pieces seperated it wouldn't make much sense.
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This idea is mainly about the construct, but in order for the construct to work a new drone is also required. Names aren't essential, and I've never been good at them anyway.

*Supply Drone
+A drone that delivers mass to the target to fill holds.
+It may be a good idea to limit this drone only to constructs like the one below.
+Stats: move(2 like an attack drone, maybe even 1 though that may be harsh), Burn, Armour, and Mass(Like with a colonization drone). I suggest the movement rate is lowered for this drone to help prevent abuse in gravwells. However, if the drone is limited to a stationary construct this might not be needed.
+A max mass amount to prevent abuse: I was thinking 3, 4, or 5. Personally, I like 4 because it isn't enough to repair. This is important because part of the point of gravwells is to make mass mining harder, so ships can't stay in gravwells all the time.

*Tactical Mining Outpost
+A construct that mines and delivers mass to ships through the use of the above supply drone. It would have holds and mass scoops, or perhaps something new for constructs that combines the two. It would also need drone racks or an equivalent(spelling) to fire the drone. Perhaps combine the mass scoop, hold, and drone rack role into a single unit (or module like with Nosferatu's idea, though I'm not sure the views are analogous here) for the construct.
+This was the original description in my notes(you'll find some things have changed):
--3x3, produces 1 mass per undamaged unit and can fire a single 9 point drone.
--Holds, extra mass scoops, extra drone racks, SS, and engines to power these extraneous aids are added one unit at a time over time.
--This construct would be stationary of course.

Sorry if my little scheme of symbols denoting subdetails is confusing.

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While typing this up, I had another idea. I don't have time to flesh it out now, but perhaps constructs could mine mass and use it to develop those items Mortis(?) seems to want so badly. I think items/powerups/whatever might be fun as well, if implemented right. Hmmm... perhaps the "items" would actually be units that cannot be bought equipped to a ship, they can only be manufactured and sent (probably by drone) from a construct of some type.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit loath to touch the game at the moment. The Epic Bloom's have revitalised combat - given us all something to go for. Even the destruction of Nosferatu's trade gates is starting to slip from my agenda.

So, I really want to see the dust settle (and do no coding!) for a while.

Having said that, I think trade gates should have more to them. i.e. rather than adding new construct types, having the single construct gain in abilities is probably the way to go. And you supply drone idea is a good one. An incremental edge to those with trade gates in system is good. And this fits the bill.

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